Welcome to True Path, an alternate universe My hero Academia RP set BEFORE the actual Series! We are at the beginning of the establishment of Hero society, come join us and help us create the wold of My Hero Academia.
Post by Emi Ryoko Tachibana on Aug 20, 2020 16:52:02 GMT -4
Here lies an off-shoot of the newbie suggestion thread and the clique suggestion thread! Regardless of whether or not you think they exist on TP, the mention of cliques is enough to start up debate in our Discord. Discord is also, as it happens, not the best place to have a nuanced discussion between multiple people, and so here we are!
Does the site have an issue with cliques? Do new players believe that the site has an issue with cliques? If so, is there anything we can do to lessen that perception?
This is the thread for you to debate and discuss those matters for the betterment of our community!
Post by Kaisaki Inoue on Aug 20, 2020 17:41:25 GMT -4
When it comes to 'cliques' and such, I've learned that they get established over time as people tend to start closing ranks around their own story. That's not necessarily a bad thing, a more focused narrative can provide some truly wonderful reading material. The risk is making people feel left out or saddened because they want to help or contribute or be a part of people's stories themselves.
What i'd suggest to everyone is think about the structure of your plots and characters and think of natural ways for your characters to want to interact with people and bring others into their plots. IC chat is great for this if people are willing to engage in it in meaningful ways. Just fun little scenarios that can bring off into full plots or moments.
For example, Amare's interactions in the IC chat and the interesting circumstances around Yasashi's sister getting a hacked phone from Yojin or Sonya's presence on Astachat or at the risk of sounding self-indulgent, Momo's constant kitchen mishaps. It could and should all branch off into things that are very wonderful and inclusive.
Basically, I feel like we'd all be happier and better off if we thought about that aspect of rping a little more, right? Just finding natural ways to include others and make them feel like a part of the world.
On the other hand, talk to people! Please! I love talking to people about plots and seeing how hyped and happy they get and I know a lot of other people do too. Please please please reach out to people and if you're reached out too, try to engage as best you can. Talking to people can make so many little puzzle pieces fit together.
So one of the reasons why I did that thread to begin with was because I was new and I was having a super hard time getting people into my threads that I've opened or becoming a part of a thread that my character didn't know. And the response I got about addressing the initial issue of getting people to thread with me was to be active in discord - which I am when I'm not having a rough day thanks to life or to dm people with plots. Unlike some people who are used to this type of thread, the last time I threaded was in Gaia. Which I know I just aged myself quite a bit. But that their subsection for threads were way more open to people randomly joining in. Or if the threads were invite only then it would specifically say so. Either way open threads didn't linger long without someone joining in because there were eager people to join irregardless of their ability to plot with people or how well they typed. People just joined if they were interested in the thread and it developed like that.
Post by Lyra Amaryllis on Aug 20, 2020 18:21:45 GMT -4
[attr="class","vivalyric"]KEEP YOUR FACE TO THE SUN AND YOU WILL NEVER SEE THE SHADOWS
[break] one thousand eleven[break][break]
[break] @me [break][break]
I'mma try to tackle this as best as I can. I don't mean to offend or single anyone out by my thoughts on this, but the discussion earlier made me think more about the issue.[break][break]
For starters, I personally think the answer to "Does TP have an issue with cliques" is...kind of? But weirdly enough I think it's mostly unintentional. I've been on a loooooooot of sites in the last decade or so and I gotta say as a new not as extroverted member this was one of the easier ones to get integrated into. I haven't really had a problem getting plots or threads since I started since many of you have reached out to me for them? The only thing that's really kind of put up a wall is a very personal thing regarding me[break][break]
The IC Chats.[break][break]
I've found that a lot of the plot developments and desires for threads have come from interactions between members there. I, for various reasons, tend to not use those chats at all. So while I haven't been struggling to find threads it feels like I'm missing out on some of the interactions there? I know some of you are sitting there being like "Just start chatting in there" but I'm sure for some of you out there with anxiety, busy schedules, etc. it's a lot harder than it might be for others. Tbh this is actually the first site I've been on with specific (and multiple) channels just for IC interaction. <-- That however is my personal take, but I think I'd bring it up in case anyone else feels that way.[break][break]
Back to the main point: I would say part of the frustration of newbies might come from the snowbally nature of conversations in the discord mixed with some people who are more introverted or anxious. Sometimes (as an observer) I'll watch in plots as a few people talk about some potential thread or story they want to do, an onlooker will say something either related to that or wanting to join, and because (which I understand HOW this happens) the main group is so enthralled in their conversation or hyped up it goes unnoticed. [break][break]
I understand it's more complicated than that given that for various reasons sometimes someone may not want to engage with a specific person usually for personal reasons. I don't expect that to change given a lot of you have a history together for better or worse after being on the same place for like 2+ years. I think the key to STARTING some changes to make members more invested would be more acknowledgment or engaging when these conversations are happening. [break][break]
Ex. for me would be if I'm talking a Lyra/Akiva plot with Rosey in plots and say Minty joins in because she also has a vigilante that's relevant to the overall story. If a casual onlooker wants to participate in the conversation or maybe throw an idea in just stopping to address that and say like "Hey that's not bad" or like "I appreciate that! I think I'm gonna go a different direction though" might help.[break][break]
I don't really have a solution I guess? These are more just observations from someone who's newer, doesn't have a history with anyone here, don't dislike anyone here, and have a somewhat busier schedule than your average dedicated rper.
I was involved in the original "Down with the Cliques" thread, and honestly in the aftermath tried to go against my usual grain and force myself to get involved to get noticed and get all my dreams coming true.
Now, here we are 4 or so months later and well... I've had to take refuge from general chat and the server as a whole due to continuing issues so... Not the best advice in hindsight I guess? I could go on a whole spiel about the changes I'd make to help the server be more inclusive from my opinion but that's probably gonna detract from the thread, and honestly just thinking about this stuff right now makes me clench up internally.
Now I'm not saying that it's everyone on site's fault that things went wronh, many welcomed me and I forged new connections with people and part of the issue is rather personaly, but...
I do think we need alternatives, and I'm glad that Salty-chan is doing something about trying to provide that. However, I think people, staff especially, need to take notice that it is an issue, because honestly it feels like whenever any one person complains about feeling left out, from my perspective it gets handwaved?
A lot of personal bias here but from what I can see, those who are in a nice comfortable position are happy to just give an easy solution that gives no validation to what people are feeling, then return to whatever they were doing without a second thought?
So ultimately, to me it is an issue of attitude that comes down from the very top? Sorry to say that, but that's the way it appears on this matter and so many others. As I have tried to point out to the people in charge so many fucking times, staff are happy to show a blasé attitude of "Oh well, if people leave, I'm sure we'll get others.", which is probably true but damnnnn. That makes me feel so valuable. They're also happy to overlook the fact that the vastest majority of members who stick around are people who joined in the first year of the site, which I dunno... To me plays into the whole "Why are newbs feeling left out/Not staying" thing that seems to be the crux of the matter?
Anyway, I have no solutions. I'm just a shitbag who wanted to gripe, and have done so, so see ya~
EDIT: Oh I would say as one constructive thing, as much of a pain in the ass that it is, maybe consider making things a bit easier for those who don't wanna play the 'game' in Discord? At the very least provide amenities for announcements/questions/thread finding on site, cause sitting outside the server, regardless of the reasoning for it, it's like being blind to that kind of thing, and largely dependent on the charity of others. Which is pretty hard, if you're new and don't know anyone.
Last Edit: Aug 20, 2020 18:44:41 GMT -4 by ST-Jess
Post by DrTentacles on Aug 20, 2020 19:19:32 GMT -4
Speaking on behalf of staff here:
Avoiding staff cliques is a difficult task. We're constantly exposed to each other via site discussions and grading, but we are aware, and still actively try to avoid discriminating or closing ourselves off from members either by actions or threads. In my view, some degree of cliquishness is sadly inevitable--it's our responsibility to be aware of when it's "too much" and avoid it.
Concretely, our primary decision was to push more player-run mini-events, and ST run mini-events, as we still believe that's the best way to force people out of their RP comfort zones. I think this has been successful from person experience, as I'm in three threads which compose 7-8 people I've never threaded with before.
Storytellers activity is our current best resource for getting people to mingle, be it Loki's invitation, St Martas, or the train/hot springs thread.
We are still up for other options, like providing bonus XP to players, but we ended up getting stalled on the exact implementation (tracking who's rped with who, amount.) We'll revisit it if something that sounds good.
I'll be keeping an eye out. We take this seriously--we don't want TP feel like we're churning through interhchangable Rpers. We want to keep members, and listen to you.
This is a very serious discussion to have and important for others who are planning to join the site at some point. I have been roleplaying for 11 years of my life. In fact, that's how I met my wife, Yang, for the first time. This had a great impact on how looked at games in general and now I help manage a gaming store that focuses on tabletop and trading card games. I have worked in that line of business for seven years.
There is a reason I brought this up. Every GM or judge of TCG that is in charge of a roleplaying or gaming session is given a set of rules on how to conduct themselves in our store. This includes making new people feel more welcomed (which I will discuss in the other thread). After each session, I ask the new and old players how their session went to get feedback. I pay close attention to negative feedback because that is what lets me know the underline issues that need to be fixed.
One of the underline issues that had got from my new player base was the feeling left out. That certain groups had their own people and they felt like they were not apart of it. This is something that I attempt to squash out more due to the fact of perception than anything else. And in turn, it can affect my business.
So how does this apply for TP and why people view certain groups on the site as cliques.? For starters, imagine yourself as a new player who loves roleplaying, but has trouble with actually talking with other people. It takes a minute to get to learn people's habits, their likes, their dislikes, etc. So you feel like you have to make a list of what people want and what they don't want. This should never happen if the roleplaying site is opened to new people. You want them to feel like they are apart of the community. Yes, it is up to the new person to make the effort of talking and networking with other people. But as older people who have been here longer, we also have to be open to newer people. It is a two-way street. If you make yourself look like that everyone has to conform with the group and follow "the old ways", then be prepared for people going out the door and having a bad experience.
That brings me to the next point. Groups. Everyone has particular people they write with because it is just a lot easier flowing than working with a new person, especially if they have a serious plot involved. But I always find that adding something new to the mix makes the plot more exciting and sometimes inviting a new person with new ideas spices up one's muse. Not only that, but it does also seem intimidating when one group are buddy together and you are left out in the open with no one to work with. I am not saying to be that person's best friend. But we are a group of writers having fun together on, what I like to call, a giant collaborative piece.
Which brings to my final point. Before I go into the next point, I want to add this post is not meant as an accusation or shaming. Just like in my business, I take every comment and discussion seriously and my views on it are meant to help, not harm. So I am going to say it and pray that everyone understands. And before you say "this does not happen", unfortunately, it does.
The final point. Bandwagoning and picking. The biggest signal that shows that there are cliques on this site. Let's start off with bandwagoning. Two people disagree with something, and it involves one of your best buds. Instead of taking it to a mod or an admin to serve as a neutral party, you jump in and take a side instead. Now that, one person feels ganged up on and ultimately want to leave the sight. Ganging up on one person does not serve a purpose on this site. You have to be more open to the opinions of one another and actually work with one another. If dispute can't be settled, someone should get an admin to resolve the issue. Not join in on bashing the other person.
Now this part is for staff. Again this is not to bash you, but point out the issues. I want you guys to do something for me. I want you guys to go to the four admins that you have (including Crimson) and tell them "thank you". And I do mean really say it. Because if not for them I would have left this site a long time ago. In the past seven months I have been in a lot altercations that could have been avoided- some of them being with staff itself. Your admins had been convincing enough to keep me going on this site. So much, that have been donating $40 a month to Patreon for all they have done, with the promise if they continued I would keep it up indefinitely. You have wonderful admins. So I give my thanks to them. And you should do the same.
Now why you should be thanking them. You are staff. There some of you who are extremely nice and some of you I am really confused by. And unfortunately I have to lump you all together. Because you are team. And as someone who is veteran of the military forces, "You are only strong as the weakest link in your chain." There had been times that I have seen staff that took one person's side or had avoided the problems altogether because they didn't want to to deal with. Which Jess has pointed out. This in itself is cliquish behavior.
Although this site is for fun, you need to understand that you are staff. Your job is to take in each discussion with seriousness and have an unbiased attitude towards it. I won't go into too much detail, so I will sum it up with this. You should not make a decision on making your best friend happy or because its an easy way to avoid it. You sign up to help make people feel welcome and assist with matters while at the same time having fun. Again take this as form of helping you on what others are viewing, not as a bashing.
I love this site so much, that I am willing to donate my money and time to help make it succeeds. Yes, its for fun. But this site has been very helpful and enlightening while dealing with PTSD. I was diagnosed after I left the military and I have used this as a healthy outlet to deal with that. Please. Take these discussions to heart. Listen to what needs improvement.
Well, I will be leaving my thoughts in the other threads. And with that everyone have a nice day. Hit 1 million word threads. And peace.
Your thread opening Pokemon,
Last Edit: Aug 20, 2020 21:42:50 GMT -4 by Desmoshi
Post by ♥ Captain UwU ♠ (Minty) on Aug 20, 2020 21:03:36 GMT -4
Heeeeeyyyyyyyyy it's ya boi!
And I got a story for you, the origin of when I started here 'u'
NOTE! - I have a summary at the bottom, this post is worth the read if you want detailed insight, but if you're in a rush and don't have time, just go to the end of my post 'u';;; holy crap at the time of posting this, 3k+ words.....holy frigg. I wrote so much more than I planned 09t4uihfewjlkd then again, this topic hits home and it hits hard.
I put it in a spoiler text so those who wanna take the time to read my heartfelt message can do so! That and make it easier to navigate the thread.... <u<;;;
I'm a person who is VERY hesitant about joining new sites unless I know multiple people there or have one person who has a plot lined up for me so we can get it rolling soon after my acceptance.
The next question in your mind must be "But why?" My answer is unfortunately simple: I've had a lot of bad experiences with cliques in the past to the point where I was an outcast.
OH YES, I have been in that boat many times and it wasn't a fun one at all! You go to a place, excited to meet new people and RP with them because WOW SO MANY COOL STORY OPPORTUNITIES! All these people seem to get along, but you, yourself are not getting so much as a "Hi! Welcome to the site!" or anything like that, it's like stepping into a room of people and you feel all alone. Can we say how this isn't a great feeling? Absolutely! The sad thing is that those people may or may not even realize what they're doing, let alone how hurtful it is. I could go on a tangent about this, but the super tldr of that is because sometimes it's honestly a defense mechanism of people and other times it's just because they don't like anything new. It's a toss up, but each person has their reason for this behavioral trait. Thus, this brings be to a harsh cold fact in a frequent pattern I've seen over the years.
There is a very strong stigma in MANY communities when it comes to new people, and I can't say I fully blame that mindset, as bad as it can be. I promise it's not as grim or bad as it may seem initially, it is truly varying everywhere we go whether it's online or in real life. Unfortunately, it's something that happens everywhere to some extent or another, even in welcoming communities. I've been in this online RP gig for over 20 years now and started with AOL Chats as my main source of RP. I learned a lot, especially from my days of having severe anxiety and depression (mostly underlying). Which, I can absolutely say with all my heart that yes, when you have anxiety and/or depression, it's an uphill climb and it feels like a constant series of losing games where you can't win, it's a challenging curve when you have no idea how to cope or make it better. I wish I could say there's an easy solution to this, but there is not.
For those of you who do struggle with anxiety and/or depression, I want you to take a moment to read the spoiler tag segment, okay? The rest of you can either read it or skip it. I have it in a spoiler tag to save on the scrolling for main points.
DISCLAIMERRRRR I'm not a therapist or anything of the sort, I'm just a person sharing the tools I got from going to therapy and things I picked up along the way.
Gonna have a heart to heart with you folks and tell you what I wish past me had someone saying to them, it's going to be okay. Yes, meeting new people can be very scary and daunting, but it's worth giving them a chance. Everyone comes from different walks of life and they may be hurting as well, the more patient you can be, the better since it'll give people the opportunity to know you. I know it's hard, I know it's difficult, but if you're feeling down on yourself, try your best not to announce every doubt you've got against yourself and your ideas. Yes, yes, it's much easier said than done, I've been there and lived the horror story which is "My ideas are bad, my characters are bad, people don't like me", it's unpleasant.
Yes, it hurts when your anxiety is proven and your fears come to life, but after all those years, I truly feel like I dug myself into a hole because I purely focused on the negative and that's all people had a chance to see since that's the most I vocalized. It's hard, but focusing on the positives is beneficial for not only those around you, but for yourself too and it helps so much. When someone gives you a compliment, try your best to own it and use it to help yourself get to a better, healthier mindset. Again, I know it's challenging, but you can do it, you absolutely can. Please, for your own well-being, make it a task for yourself to think of positives then focus on those. There are positives, I promise. When you have negative traits about yourself, rather than dwelling on how horrible it is, try to focus on "How can I improve and make this better?" List it down and if you can't think of things, reach out to a good friend and see if they can help you. (I know not everyone can afford therapy and oh geeze, finding a good therapist can be rough...like maaaaajor oof!)
The difference and change ultimately starts with us, it's all about taking the first step and moving forward. Take breaks if you have to, but keep finding a way to take more steps in the right direction ^u^ ! Things will get better and you're going to be in a much better place, it may take time, but everything will be okay one day and you can get there <3 Please don't give up on yourself, I'm sure you're doing a good job and you're gonna be that person you're working so hard to become! Don't hesitate to use the vent section if you're having a rough patch or confiding in a good friend you're comfortable with, we all go through the motions <3 You got this! <3
Back to our regularly scheduled programming!
With that out of the way, let's review my early days here at TP...
After it took MONTHS of Caramel trying to convince me to join, I figured since I have a plot and character in mind to kick start myself in proving I can be active...I took the plunge to join. The community had people who welcomed me and some that didn't even offer a simple hello and just glazed over that. For me, personally, I see this as a normal pattern in every community I've been in but it wasn't the worst. I saw people talking about stuff and took the initiative to get involved and contribute to their conversations here and there to the best of my ability when it felt natural for me to make a comment.
I asked people how they are as a general thing and when people were plotting about and I felt like my character might be a good fit, I'd ring in with things like "Oh man! I'd like to plot with you cause that seems like a really cool idea! When I get my guy all sorted out, we should try to figure out a plot or something!" and tried my best to reach out as much as I could. I did go over the rules and even kept the tabs open while working on my app, that way I could easily reference what section I needed and would ask questions either to Caramel or in general (which folks politely pointed out that there was an ask staff section, so I started getting the hang of how our discord server worked). I kept focusing on how fun it'll be when I get started since folks here seemed pretty cool.
Yumi was also one of the first people outside of Caramel who reached out to me and helped me get the lay of the land and eventually became one of the first people to plot with me on here. (YUMIIIII I know you're probably gonna read this at some point or another, but thank you for being one of the first people to make me feel welcome. You're a fantastic person C: ! )
When I made my villain, though I had an initial plot in mind, it got cancelled shortly after I got through the app process with Rosey. Which she left a very good first impression of the staff here because she was willing to help me workshop things and was receptive to why I had the quirk written as it was originally. It changed, but we worked together to make it so I could still have something close enough to what I was aiming for and the right wording for clarity sake.
Keeping in mind with what I've gone through with how difficult it can be to get started with a new community, especially with a villain, I made sure he was going to be versatile and flexible so I can throw him into just about any situation. What I didn't realize is that a lot of people didn't want to thread with villains, even if they're laid back with a civilian persona. Originally I was going to have ONE character, but then I realized that I unintentionally got myself into a corner for now. So I looked for threads and saw an open thread made by Jaffa with his character Kado and another character, Cody who is portrayed by Zuka, since I was new and nervous due to not having a chance to talk to them, I did a courtesy check to see if they would be okay with me throwing Kozue in there. I was legit so freaking happy and excited when they told me they were cool with it ;o; ! At the time, Des was not the thread opening pokemon we know, but he definitely did VERY soon after!
I decided that since it was hard for me to get plots and threads with Kozue, I was trying to think to myself "How do I get more involved with folks? What factions are easier to get plots going with and into threads?" It seemed like when I tried to just be like "HEY GUYS I can through this guy anywhere except U.A" and a lot of people had students whoooooo didn't really leave U.A. So I was like...okay...I guess I should make a student and see if that works? So I worked with Cara to have a plot with my character Beaumont Favager, my first year since we were going to have our FC based ship on a site that never took off. WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT ENDED UP, BUT LET'S NOT DWELL ON IT W4UGIREJKSD
Turns out more people were receptive to plotting with my student and even though Kozue Ito was fully intended to be my main character, Beaumont was getting more thread and plot opportunities. Around this time, Des started going HELLA HAM on opening threads and I wanted to take that opportunity to get involved, also using it as a way of helping other new members get involved too. Being like "I'D LOVE TO PLOT WITH YOU! WE CAN MAKE A NEW THREAD OR YOU CAN INVADE ONE OF THESE OPEN THREADS WITH ME C: !" I would also post the open threads, even the ones I wasn't part of for folks so they can see there are various thread options! YAAAAAAAAAY!
Still, I wanted more flexibility with my roster since it seemed like it was really hard to get plots for my villain, yet I liked him a whole lot and didn't want to just trade him out, I'm not the sort to app a character and give up on them quickly. So I made Finn Halloran as my neutral sort who could have gone in ANY direction. He was my "His route is so open ended, he can remain a civilian or turn vigi, villain maybe even hero affiliated" option since I like have Neutral first then go for good leaning or evil leaning, but all of my characters have some brand of neutrality to make them flexible with various alignments and conflict is possible upon OOC request (esp because new person and people haven't had the chance to know me so OOC communication for a general direction is something I liked sorting out).
Bless you, Yumi for being one of the first people to actively throw your roster at me for plots, I genuinely enjoy threading with you and I hope you know that
With Finn, I also got more plot opportunities thanks to Bones reaching out as well! ;o; I LOVE POSTING WITH YOU AS WELL AAAAAA!
FROM THAT POINT! More plot opportunities opened up to me and I now have threads with almost everyone plus many of the people I've been plotting with from the beginning have been really inclusive with getting various characters involved! I love you guys so much just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIS POST IS OVER 3K WORDS LONG....SO UM WHOOPS...LET'S GET A LIL SUMMARY GOING....
1) There is a pattern of people struggling to warm up in any and all communities: The best solution is for all of us to be as welcoming to one another as possible 'u' Say hi to new people, engage with them and try to figure out what kind of character they're interested in making. FUEL THE HYPE TO BE HERE YAAAAAAAS. I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT THIS PLACE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EASIER COMMUNITIES TO FEEL A SENSE OF WARMTH IN, I have been in MANY where it's cold a.f, this is one of the "warms up faster" types. I get why though, because there are a ton of people who come and go, so it's like a kick in the butt when you invest all this time and plotting with someone who either doesn't post or leaves within a month or two >>;;;; We also need to consider being patient with one another, but again, it would definitely do us all some good to at least say hi and stuff when we see a new name in the chat 'u' yaaaaaay being nice to people!
2) A stigma toward casual threads with villains exists: I do NOT recommend starting with a villain, especially if you're already worried about trying to get plots and threads as a new member! It's sooooooo difficult unless there's an open thread and the people who are cool with villains just cruising it in their threads are sometimes busy. I don't know why there's a stigma toward Students, Civis and Vigis threading with villains in a casual sense for their civi-sonas, but it exists. This IS NOT on the staff to fix, no one should expect them to tell people what kind of plots they can and can't have since that gets into gate keeper territory, but I'm just pointing it out due to it being something I struggled with when I started here. Solution? UM...start with a student or civi, they're the easiest ones to get plots for, you can always do a saga to change your faction :3
3) Faction Cliqueing with Students: I didn't put this anywhere in the big ass post, but I feel it should be said that there is absolutely 100% without a doubt the BIGGEST clique atmosphere for student plots. I'm not saying this to be mean, rude, nothing like that nothing at all! It was damn near impossible to get threads with students that exist outside of U.A, I'm not really sure why most of the students are glued to school property OuO;;;; ! This is, again, NOT an issue that staff should be expected to solve because it seems more like a plotting preference and will, again, fall under potential gate keeper territory. So what's my suggestion? How can we fix this?
----> More plots and events that encourage the students to step off of the school grounds! LOOK HOW WELL THE HOT SPRINGS TRIP THREAD WENT! Let's do more of those things like I know Des tried to do a beach camp out thing too among other things cause he's been trying REALLY HARD to figure out non-combat threads that bring various factions together. We should really consider throwing in more field trip stuff in and even the students helping with the community too.
4) Help people plot: This isn't something that falls on staff responsibility, we, as members, should be taking it upon ourselves to reach out and encourage ideas and be politely constructive. Snapu gets this really well on how it's cool to get involved with one another!
5) OPEN THREADS ARE LOVE AND LIFE: Yang's point, I know what you mean gurl! Gaia is pretty easy to get into threads a lot of the time, so I think people should consider looking into joining open threads BEFORE making a closed thread >w< ! That would be super cool!
------> An idea might be to have a lil thing for the open threads like having a small idea of where the thread's direction is plotted to go? That way people can see if it's a thread they wanna look into joining :3 this might help! I usually go by the title, but it might do some good for a sentence or two of what kinda thread it is?
6) NEW! EDIT - 3:16pm HST - Invite/Closed thread notion: I know that we need closed threads to help keep a story driven in the direction on a steady course, right? Of course, this is a natural element we'll see everywhere, but! I have an idea, when there's a thread where it's plausible for others to get involved with and join, why not just add an ask thing to it? I see it as a door of opportunity to leave the option open since it can get a really cool twist/flavor to a plot and improve on it while getting people involved at the same time 'u' !
I'll add more as it comes to mind, but yeeeaaaaah! I uh...had a lot to say on the topic ^u^;;;;;
ROFLMAO THERE WERE NEW POSTS AFTER MINE AAAAAAAAAAA OOPS I WAS WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS OSJDUYGUDHJASK
there now it's on the intended account omg i'm so sorry xD
Post by Emi Ryoko Tachibana on Aug 21, 2020 10:34:22 GMT -4
Thanks for all the responses so far! It’s a little late, but here’s my spin on the questions I asked you all.
Does the site have an issue with cliques? I don’t think so! Overall we’ve got a pretty nice community here. I don’t think anybody would deny that we have a number of OOC friend groups blossoming from IC friendships, or vice versa, but they’re a far cry from the hostile and exclusive gangs I’d associated with the word ‘clique’. Folks here are pretty open, and if you ask around most people are willing to thread with you… eventually.
They’ve got their own thread plans lined up, and/or they’re already in half a dozen threads and don’t want to overburden themselves. If a long-timer hears that, they’re probably pretty likely to understand – after all, we’ve all been there. If a new player, eager to start a thread hears that, it’s easy for them to go from believing it, to assuming they’re being politely brushed off within a few days, especially when they get to see those same players happily chatting in #plots all the while.
(After reading what other members have said, I find myself strongly agreeing with the ‘Discord game’ comments, but in the interests of keeping my own thread on topic I will save my thoughts there for the more general discussion.)
They’re definitely not the only concerns that have been flagged up, and I wouldn’t claim that they’re intentional acts to ward off newcomers, but I think they’re worth keeping in mind when asking…
Do new players believe that the site has an issue with cliques? Clearly, enough do that we’ve already had a thread about it, and we shouldn’t dismiss that just because those of us that are still here managed just fine. Who knows how many players we lost because they disagreed? If so, is there anything we can do to lessen that perception? Unfortunately, I can’t think of much of a solution to the immediate availability I mentioned above. It wouldn’t be fair to tell players to keep themselves open for an extra thread, just in case a new player pops up and approaches them. I think that we most of us could do more to engage with new guys. When was the last time you created (not joined, created) an open thread? Or made the first move towards starting a thread with them? What are we doing, as a community, to show new players that TP isn’t just a collection of cliques? Like Desmoshi said, it’s a two-way street.